tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-986720625241291508.post8675995482057933560..comments2023-04-12T04:43:00.013-07:00Comments on noelplum99: PZ Myers, A Demonstration of Entitlementnoelplum99http://www.blogger.com/profile/02279159559088659959noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-986720625241291508.post-85626505344077412152013-02-09T12:15:11.404-08:002013-02-09T12:15:11.404-08:00What PZ and his gang are calling "derailing&q...What PZ and his gang are calling "derailing" these days is a joke. I noticed Greta decided to call you "derailing" as well when you made a comment about how many shoes your wife had, when the subject she was writing about was specifically about shoes. You know they can call "derailing" whatever the hell they want. I just wish they would stop using "free thought" in their fucking name if that is their position.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-986720625241291508.post-17396732373968977662013-02-06T15:23:31.438-08:002013-02-06T15:23:31.438-08:00The only person I had (have) problems with underst...The only person I had (have) problems with understanding in LS&2SB is Danny John-Jules. Not the accent, but the rhyming slang. Barry was fucking brilliant in that one, as were the two Scousers. "Fahking northern monkeys!" "I hate these fookin' southern fairies!"<br /><br />I do understand why Americans have problems with the word 'cunt' specifically, as they are the only anglophone (albeit barely) people who specifically use it as an epithet directed towards women. In the UK, Ireland and Australia it's almost always directed at men who are, at that point, acting like cunts. But they don't understand that, nor will they ever pronounce it correctly. (Mind you, Doug Stanhope <i>does</i> pronounce it correctly. But then he's not exactly a typical American.)<br /><br />I'm fairly left-wing socio-economically, but when it comes to law and order I'm more traditional in that I think laws should be upheld as they are written down (the NL is notoriously permissive). I'm okay with the laws as they are, no need to go the American route.Hansnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-986720625241291508.post-73570448581021505082013-02-06T05:00:41.894-08:002013-02-06T05:00:41.894-08:00"Also, it's refreshing to listen to someo..."Also, it's refreshing to listen to someone who knows how to properly pronounce 'cunt' and 'twat'."<br /><br />I actually prefer the way cockney gangster types pronounce cunt (a bit like right at the very end of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsX5KlYkr1g ), I love all that 'yuuu fackin cant' talk! Great value.<br /><br />With respect to political views, I suspect that many of my sibscribers are to the left of me on economic issues and probably law and order also but not so much on welfare and social justice issues. I don't know if you saw my unlisted video giving my thoughts on the extreme libertarians on YouTube? In case you didn't here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdpOkvLva44noelplum99https://www.blogger.com/profile/02279159559088659959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-986720625241291508.post-82348775244057122612013-02-06T04:01:17.039-08:002013-02-06T04:01:17.039-08:00I was thinking exactly the same thing when I read ...I was thinking exactly the same thing when I read PZ's piece. Looked at it from a capitalist point of view chattel slavery (which is what the good old US of A had) is both rational and evidence-based. Those good ole boys made a lot of money, and many of today's large American corporations became this large because of chattel slavery.<br /><br />And I bring the capitalist bit up because PZ Meyers is himself a capitalist, and he admits as much. His blogging efforts are all about making money, and this is also something he admits. (I seem to recall it was one of the arguments made when he got Thunderfoot on board at FtB.) So basically PZ is a hypocrite, which isn't a surprise.<br /><br />In that topic of his I also found his reactions to people arguing with him about his article -- which is the reason you allow comments on your blog I should think -- absolutely ridiculous. No counter-arguments but straight to insults. Pathetic, really.<br /><br />And to Jim directly: I've been following you on YouTube for quite some time now, and enjoy your irrelevant asides as much as the main subjects. Can't be arsed to register with Google though so I never left you a kudo there. Even though I suspect that our political views differ quite a bit (I think I'm actually very close to PZ's stated political views) I agree with you that atheism should not be confused with politics. Atheism is a single position on a single issue: the existence of gods.<br /><br />Also, it's refreshing to listen to someone who knows how to properly pronounce 'cunt' and 'twat'.<br /><br />Regards from right across that bit of water to the east of you.<br />Hansnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-986720625241291508.post-55840732296745353902013-02-05T10:19:29.265-08:002013-02-05T10:19:29.265-08:00Regarding PZ's comment: "I ask, OK, so wo...Regarding PZ's comment: "I ask, OK, so would you claim that there is no rational, evidence-based argument against, say, slavery? That it is impossible to make an objective argument in any domain against treating people as property?"<br /><br />Are there rational, evidence-based arguments against slavery? Obviously I find the idea of slavery morally repugnant, but my objection to slavery isn't based on some utilitarian calculus. It would seem to me that there would be just as many "rational" and "evidence based" arguments in support of slavery, as there would be against it. br0kenmechnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-986720625241291508.post-7925296411884926582013-02-03T07:22:06.152-08:002013-02-03T07:22:06.152-08:00Clearly PZ Myers position is that he has looked lo...<i><br /> Clearly PZ Myers position is that he has looked long and hard the length and breadth of the western world and has been unable to find any left-leaning political organisations or movements to join, where both his fields of interest would be their fields of interest and his own positions would be shared and welcomed. He must have looked really fucking hard don't you think?</i><br /><br />Hah, spot on!windynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-986720625241291508.post-47477651602587304002013-02-02T14:48:50.867-08:002013-02-02T14:48:50.867-08:00Hi Jim, I've watched a large number of your vi...Hi Jim, I've watched a large number of your videos on youtube so first I'd like to thank you for the hours of entertainment.<br /><br />On the post topic, I find myself both agreeing and disagreeing with everyone about this whole thing*. I consider that the prime value of skepticism is in the approach to evaluating our world, not in the specific output opinions on particular topics. Therefore I'm on the rhetorical side of Myers as far as the stance that religious claims and social justice issues are valid topics for skeptical discussion.<br /><br />Where Myers (and the A+/FTB/Skepchick etc. crowd) lose me is in their bizarre inability to see the hypocrisy in how they call for their issues to be included under the skeptical umbrella while at the same time not allowing for any skeptical inquiry into the fact claims that they personally hold to be true. Indeed, their groups often insist on rules that specifically prohibit questioning "personal experience" -- a position that is about as anti-skeptical as you can get. <br /><br />By the way, you might like to watch Jamy Ian Swiss talking about this scoping issue at TAM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIiznLE5Xno<br /><br />* Which, people being what they are, is read as simply disagreeing with them.mwtbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-986720625241291508.post-55929839181486997852013-02-01T04:25:20.756-08:002013-02-01T04:25:20.756-08:00PZ's biggest problem, I think, is that he is t...PZ's biggest problem, I think, is that he is trying to redefine the word "atheism" instead of using the word that already is there, "humanism". If he was trying to give his own definition to humanism instead, no one would have a problem with him promoting his own favourite moral opinions, various ism's/causes, etc, as what he means by humanism. The word humanism allows for individuals to have their own set of opinions, favourite social justice causes, and definitions for what counts as good or not good to promote for a better quality of life for everyone.<br /><br />Unfortunately, dictionaries are PZ's kryptonite. He'll never figure out that he's parading under the wrong banner and making an ass of himself.Scented Nectarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10462461381858605576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-986720625241291508.post-2107448150939395922013-01-31T23:35:03.370-08:002013-01-31T23:35:03.370-08:00Here's the problem with that idea Jim. If PZ w...Here's the problem with that idea Jim. If PZ went off somewhere else he might have to be in the audience.xxxxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-986720625241291508.post-76031989951467242612013-01-31T23:33:19.779-08:002013-01-31T23:33:19.779-08:00You have outlined the essence of PZ's argument...You have outlined the essence of PZ's argument, he wants everyone to follow his ideas. Personally, I support many of the same areas but concentrate on only a few and those don't include the A+ brand of feminism. His abrasiveness to any criticism can be counter-productive but should be welcomed, if we are confident that the skeptical approach is worthwhile we can progress, with or without him. His goads will just keep us on our toes.<br /><br />Acleronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03742380713377801576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-986720625241291508.post-7171592437699387722013-01-31T21:53:28.855-08:002013-01-31T21:53:28.855-08:00Well said sir, well said.Well said sir, well said.Shadowhttp://shadowofadoubt99.blogspot.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-986720625241291508.post-13256410724479934512013-01-31T21:02:11.027-08:002013-01-31T21:02:11.027-08:00Sir I admire your indefatigability. Thankyou for t...Sir I admire your indefatigability. Thankyou for the work you have done this last year, i lost my bloody temper once i started to delve into the rabbit hole, and have only recently started to engage as A+ and FtB appear to be gaining ground on the 'Con' circuit whilst losing it outside of their internet bubbles. As a Brit it has little real effect upon me. However if i can save one human being from having to listen to Rebecca Watson on Evo-Psych or PZ on feminism, all the effort will be worth it.<br />keep it up Jim.<br />Jimjimtheplebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09845905670982535046noreply@blogger.com